Time doesn't Exist
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The concept of time was invented by humans and is based on the motion of matter. Time does not exist. Early man used sundials, then hourglasses, then clocks, and then watches in order that they may keep track of this imaginary mathematical concept. It was useful for planting crops, keeping track of what happens, etc. The apparent motion of the sun, moon, and stars was important in this process of timekeeping.
However, this concept of time has somewhat changed and has caused much confusion, especially among mathematical physicists. So much so, that they even speak about time as if ‘it’ were a physical object. Spacetime curvature, time dilation, traveling through time. All these theories reify the concept time, they claim that time is ‘something’ which can curve, dilate or be traveled through.
Well, all objects (matter) have shape. So if a mathematician is going to treat time like an object, then surely he should be able to draw a picture of it or show us a photograph. But of course then they will likely claim that their theories are just metaphors and that you shouldn’t take them literally. Well if that’s the case then what are they really talking about? What do these alleged metaphors symbolize, what do they mean? They mean nothing, they are absolute nonsense.
You can not travel through an abstract concept which doesn’t exist. There is no physical process which can explain how the motion of all matter in the universe can reverse back to it’s original position. Therefore it is impossible to “travel back in time”. The only way someone could be described as “traveling to the future” is if they froze their body in a machine and then had it thawed out later on.
Atomic clocks on GPS satellites are often used as ‘proof’ that there is something called time which can be distorted. However it is not the concept time which is changing it’s speed, it is the object clock. The so-called “cosmic microwave background radiation” clearly shows that there is a medium of subatomic particles. ‘Radiation’ is the motion of these particles. When a clock moves through this medium it will take longer for the atoms that comprise the atomic clock to move. Therefore it moves slower than a stationary clock. Moving clocks slow down because they are traveling through this medium and working more slowly. It's not time that slows down. It's the clocks.
In reality there is only objects moving around right now. The reason people have this convoluted "past, present, future" way of thinking is because we have the ability to memorize the locations of objects as they move.
So, to sum this up. Time is an abstract concept which is based on the motion of matter. Time does not exist. Only matter exists. It is irrational to claim that you can travel through concepts such as adventure, service, enmity and time. You can only ‘travel through’ a medium of matter such as air or water. Time is only an idea.
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Thanks for enlightening me on this subject. I never thought of time as non existant. man has created so many things that this world thinks are just plain normal so it doesnt surprise me that time fits into that category as well. Great hub!
Great article Infinity. Bravo! These mathematical quantum lunatics have "run out" of time now; so it's back to the asylum they go!
Good stuff! :)
This article is interesting, but I disagree. I would say that entropy proves that time is more than abstract, it is a part of reality. We literally don't have a handle on it to manipulate it (other than how we are doing so now), but it does exist. Theoretically, objects that exist in more than three dimensions could exist, but we couldn't even begin to imagine what it would look like. We can perform mathematical operations concerning it, however, just as we can do with time. From a mathematical perspective, everything could work if the arrow of time would be reversed, but that would mean entropy would be reversed, which wouldn't make sense.
There's also the fact that two objects can't occupy the same space, yet they do all of the time. I was just in the store at the register, but someone else was there as well. We occupied the same relative space, but in different times.
"I would say that entropy proves that time is more than abstract, it is a part of reality. We literally don't have a handle on it to manipulate it (other than how we are doing so now), but it does exist."
Time is a mathematical measurement of the motion of matter. One second, two seconds, three seconds, etc. Obviously humans invented this abstract concept. To exist, means to have physical presence: an object that has location. Time, energy, entropy, love and justice are abstractions, they are not located anywhere.(i.e. they do not exist) Only matter 'exists' and only motion of matter 'occurs'. Concepts do not exist or occur.
"Theoretically, objects that exist in more than three dimensions could exist, but we couldn't even begin to imagine what it would look like. We can perform mathematical operations concerning it, however, just as we can do with time."
Well, with mathematics you can justify just about every crazy idea. Doesn't mean it has anything to do with reality though.
"From a mathematical perspective, everything could work if the arrow of time would be reversed, but that would mean entropy would be reversed, which wouldn't make sense."
Arrow of time? Before you attempt to reverse this arrow, please show me a picture of it.
"There's also the fact that two objects can't occupy the same space"
You got that right.
"yet they do all of the time. I was just in the store at the register, but someone else was there as well. We occupied the same relative space, but in different times."
No, you(a bunch of atoms) moved out of the store and then another bunch of atoms moved in there. A different object can only occupy another object's location if that object moves to another location. It's all motion of matter. Time is only a numerical measurement of the motion of matter that we humans invented.
Time - The imaginary concept
Time does not exist. It is an imaginary concept involving a method for measurement of quantities. Time does not spend. But events take place one after the other or with respect to another sequence. We count number of events with respect to spins of the standard object, "earth".
If everything that exist in the universe maintain a state of cessation there will be no time involved. To introduce the factor "time" we have should have at least one moving object.
Let there be an observer stay at an absolute location, in space. So he will see the entire universe is in motion. Earth is spinning around itself, while our galaxy is moving in another path. Each spin of earth around itself is labeled as a day on earth.
Therefore, we can create a link for an object moving in the universe, in terms of distance traveled by it, in relation to spins of earth. Earth's spins are dimensionless, yet having a direction only, without acceleration. This link is called time.
Accordingly, time is expressed in terms of relative motion between earth and the concerned object or particle system. A stationary object such as rock also, will experience sequence of event upon it, while the rock remain motionless.
Time 0 (zero) was assumed as 2000 spins backwards on date 2000 January 01, 0.00 Hr. at Greenwich, according to convention. Also there are other conventions for measurements of time and fixing the occurrence of events such as Lunar calendar, Persian calendar, Hindus calendar, Hebrew calendar etc.
Therefore, we have given a meaning for the sequence of events taken place, and to compare the duration and intervals using the "Time"concept, to compare the event in sequences. Time represents the idea of motion, with reference to spins of earth.
A bean plant will complete its life cycle during 42 revolutions of Earth. The day on Saturn is between 10 and 11 Earth hours long. Therefore a man living on Saturn will observe a bean plant live 100 days. Depending on its metabolism a plant can sprout; develop and flowers; reproduce; and eventually losses its ability to grow. This process has taken place one after another. Not within a time frame. Revolution of earth generates a sequence of certain environmental condition for its growth.
Staying on earth or orbiting in a spaceship, we cannot observe the objects following a straight line, when it is following a straight line path. Further earth and moon are orbiting around a common center of mass while earth moving around sun.
Thus time does not exist and there is no beginning and end to existence of the creator. If we imagine a factor called time we have given it a beginning yet end has not confirmed by ourselves.
COMMENT-
"Time is only a numerical measurement of the motion of matter that we humans invented"
My ANSWER -
We Invented the scales whereby we measure changes in physical matter - Definition - "Time" - a scale for measuring change in physical matter or existance.True,but what does that have to do with time itself? If,time doesn't exist how can physical matter exist in the "real world without us being able to measure it in any way?
Measuring the Age of a person according to some doctors depends on many factors such as genetics ,metabolism,chemicals in the environment,nutrician etc.We may have lived as long as someone else using the same scale we call time and yet doctors say you have the body of a much younger person.So,time and age are two seperate ideas.
COMMENT -
Whomever wants time to exist, had better be able to tell us what they mean by the word 'exist'
exist = physical presence (ie. an object having a location)
(physically present),
My ANSWER -
Atoms and molecules have a physical presence - therefore they "Exist"
Would you say "Light" exists? You can see it,but not all light is visable.We can't see all light frequencies ,but their frequency and strength can be measured using physical instrumentation
X-rays exist and cannot be seen by humans without physical Instrumentation
someonewhoknows,
"We Invented the scales whereby we measure changes in physical matter - Definition - "Time" - a scale for measuring change in physical matter or existance."
Are you using the word "time" as a synonym for "motion of matter". If so then motion also doesn't "exist", motion OCCURS. Motion is what matter does. The matter is what exists. But using time as a synonym for motion is a bit misleading, because time is a mathematical concept. Time involves numbers, whereas motion has nothing to do with numbers. Time is a system of counting, one second, two seconds, etc. Time was invented by humans whereas motion of matter was not.
"Measuring the Age of a person according to some doctors depends on many factors such as genetics ,metabolism,chemicals in the environment,nutrician etc.We may have lived as long as someone else using the same scale we call time and yet doctors say you have the body of a much younger person.So,time and age are two seperate ideas."
What does this have to do with anything? "Aging" is all motion of matter.
"Would you say "Light" exists? You can see it,but not all light is visable.We can't see all light frequencies ,but their frequency and strength can be measured using physical instrumentation
X-rays exist and cannot be seen by humans without physical Instrumentation"
Light is not an object in and of it's self. Light is an attribute of a particle medium (aether), which is affected by the vibration (wavelength) of the particle medium. So no, light does not exist, light occurs. Light is what the particle medium is 'doing'.
topquark,
"How do you suggest a theory should be tested if it doesn't make any predictions that you can do experiments to verify or falsify?"
We should be explaining what happens in experiments. Predicting is irrelevant and does not give us any understanding as to the physical causes involved.
I looked up the definition of "Existance".One definition says ; "actual occurance"
"I looked up the definition of "Existance".One definition says ; "actual occurance""
This is an irrational definition. Sloppy use of language such as this is what causes people to confuse matter, motion of matter and abstract concepts. Not having a proper definition for the word 'exist' is what has caused the mathematical physics establishment to engage in the logical fallacy of reification. 'Reification' is when someone speaks about an abstract concept as if it were a real material object (e.g. curved space, time dilation, time travel, etc.)
Material object: "That which has shape"
Exist: "Material object that is located somewhere"
Now it's simple. Man-made concepts such as "time" do not exist pursuant to the definition of the word exist.
Time also does not 'occur' because although time is a measurement of motion, it is an artificial measurement. The abstract concept of time requires an intelligent being to invent it.
If.I understand you correctly.
Time doesn't exist because it is a man made concept!
Do you accept the idea that time "occurs" ?
That time is a way to measure matter in motion?
Time is a way to measure matter in motion, yes. However, time does not occur. When a person counts seconds (for example) we can say that the motion of their mouth occurs and that the vibration of air molecules (sound) occur, but the concept of time does not.
I understand your position on the concept of time.
What I'm refering to is the motion of matter and the change it produces as "time" no matter what concept we use to describe that motion.That motion occurs.
"That motion occurs."
Correct.
@someone,
"motion of matter and the change it produces as "time"
When an object changes location wrt all the other objects in the universe, we say that this object has moved.
Change/motion is a verb, it is what the object does. So the object does not "produce" change, like a woman produces a baby.....the object simply changes location. There is no other object produced. This means that time is not "produced", but rather, time is a synonym for "change"....and more specifically, it is a concept which requires an observer to observe at least 2 locations of the object and perform a measurement with a pre-defined standard from another object (ie. a clock which beats, ticks, etc) in order to quantify this measurement we call time.
Time does not exist. Time is a concept which is defined to be a RELATION between objects.
Time is artificial. Since we use “motion” to quantify time, then we need a minimum of 3 objects - no less. Two objects could be the Earth and the Sun, where one moves relative to the other. The third object would be an observer with MEMORY......like a human who counts, or a computer that keeps a running total of the “ticks” from arbitrarily-defined seconds.
Since the Earth moves wrt the Sun, humans chose the “motion” method to quantify (count) the motion of the Earth. Humans call this activity (VERB).....time! The ancients already understood this “quantifying motion” idea and thus used sundials to “count” the movement of the Sun across the sky as a shadow cast on the sundial.
Without a minimum of 3 objects (2 moving wrt each other), quantifying motion is impossible, and there is no concept of time (as a motion quantifier).
Without humans or sentient beings with “memory”, there is no activity that can be performed to “discern” before & after for events (verbs). Since there would be nobody around to quantify motion, then there would be no deliberate “human” or “computer” activity (verb) that we currently call “time”.
The universe has no built-in clock. Sadly, most people on the planet “believe” otherwise. They think that a magical spirit called “time” allows us the freedom to move. They think that if time stopped, the whole universe would stop (or at least the Earth & Sun and all life). These nonsensical ideal stem from Religion, where a higher authority supposedly gives us "free will", beginnings and ends. And these religious ideas have unfortunately made their way into mathematical physics.
"motion of matter and the change it produces as "time"
(I 'm saying the measurement of the (motion or vibration) of an object that may appear to be stationary to the observer or the measurement of the change in the (motion or vibration) to the observer of an object is our concept of time).
(Everything we observe with our senses are all moving with repect to the space within our local space.Motion occurs within as well as outside of our awareness of it.)
( For example : we live on a planet that spins in a clockwise direction 24,000 miles in one day or 1,000 miles in one hour at the equator using our admittedly artificial concept of time.Although our concept of time may mathamatically be seen as artificial it can be mathamatically be converted to whatever measuring system or concept we wish and still be a valid concept.)
When an object changes location wrt all the other objects in the universe, we say that this object has moved.
The concept of time
Change/motion is a verb, it is what the object does. So the object does not "produce" change, like a woman produces a baby.....the object simply changes location. There is no other object produced. This means that time is not "produced", but rather, time is a synonym for "change"....and more specifically, it is a concept which requires an observer to observe at least 2 locations of the object and perform a measurement with a pre-defined standard from another object (ie. a clock which beats, ticks, etc) in order to quantify this measurement we call time.
Time does not exist. Time is a concept which is defined to be a RELATION between objects.
(Are you saying the changing relationship between two objects doesn't "occur" because there is no one to observe it occuring?) (That's like saying - If,a tree falls down in the forest and no one see's or hears it ,then it didn't fall!)
(A tree is an example of the concept of time.It,grows and decays and in doing so it changes ever so slowly,but it changes nevertheless.These changes are but one example of the concept of time)
Time is artificial. Since we use “motion” to quantify time, then we need a minimum of 3 objects - no less. Two objects could be the Earth and the Sun, where one moves relative to the other. The third object would be an observer with MEMORY......like a human who counts, or a computer that keeps a running total of the “ticks” from arbitrarily-defined seconds.
Since the Earth moves wrt the Sun, humans chose the “motion” method to quantify (count) the motion of the Earth. Humans call this activity (VERB).....time! The ancients already understood this “quantifying motion” idea and thus used sundials to “count” the movement of the Sun across the sky as a shadow cast on the sundial.
Without a minimum of 3 objects (2 moving wrt each other), quantifying motion is impossible, and there is no concept of time (as a motion quantifier).
Without humans or sentient beings with “memory”, there is no activity that can be performed to “discern” before & after for events (verbs). Since there would be nobody around to quantify motion, then there would be no deliberate “human” or “computer” activity (verb) that we currently call “time”.
The universe has no built-in clock. Sadly, most people on the planet “believe” otherwise. They think that a magical spirit called “time” allows us the freedom to move. They think that if time stopped, the whole universe would stop (or at least the Earth & Sun and all life). These nonsensical ideal stem from Religion, where a higher authority supposedly gives us "free will", beginnings and ends. And these religious ideas have unfortunately made their way into mathematical physics.
You say the universe has no bulit-in clock! Yet,you agree that humans use the changes between the motions of the planets to artifically measure - "Time"
(The "Apparent" motion of the sun relative to the Earths day is obviously a change in motion that can be measured if not just observed as the so-called artificial concept as -"Time".)
(Time may not be an object,however time is a concept defined by the motion of objects that do exist.)
(Obviously there needs to be someone observing this motion otherwise what purpose does it serve?)
Get ready bro here comes a wall of rational text.
@someone,
“are all moving with repect to the space”
Objects are moving wrt space?? Are you sure about this? Can you even explain how this possible? Is space an object? Does space have shape? Does space have a border, a boundary?
Objects can ONLY move wrt other objects. If the universe was composed of one lonely object surrounded by space, it is impossible for that object to move.
If you have only 2 objects in the universe which are both moving wrt each other....and along comes the holy ghost of God and magically makes one object disappear, then it is impossible for the other object to be “moving”.
“Are you saying the changing relationship between two objects doesn't "occur" because there is no one to observe it occuring?”
No! This is EXACTLY what the Religions of Relativity & Quantum are saying!!!
Relativity dogmatically dictates that changes in nature occur RELATIVE TO AN OBSERVER. Without an observer, like God, the Devil, Adam or Eve, being present, Relativity falls to pieces.
Quantum dogmatically dictates that NO changes occur in nature UNLESS THEY ARE OBSERVED. So according to these Religions, a tree ONLY falls when someone is there to see it fall.
All objects in the universe perpetually change location wrt each other whether idiotic apes which we call Relativists & Mechanics are there to observe them or not. This is basic stuff.
“Time may not be an object,however time is a concept defined by the motion of objects that do exist.”
Of course. This makes sense. Only objects exist – nothing else. Everything else is a concept which describes a RELATION between objects. Relations can only be conceived and established by sentient beings.
Whilst I agree that time doesn't exist, time dilation isn't simply clocks moving slower, matter itself is slowing down, so near a large mass or near the speed of light there is less motion of matter, I.e less change
What's happening is a fundamental and intrinsic .physical. slowing, not a temporal one, since time doesn't actually have any physical existence, only change. This would explain the twin paradox without a time dimension. Now within this area of less motion of matter, .everything. is moving slower, heartbeat brainwaves everything, so from your perspective everything would appear normal.
Steven Robert Gill,
"Whilst I agree that time doesn't exist, time dilation isn't simply clocks moving slower, matter itself is slowing down, so near a large mass...there is less motion of matter, I.e less change"
Clocks are matter, so assuming that this is true (there are some skeptics who would disagree with this and that is also possible) I think I would pretty much agree with this. However, we need to have a physical understanding of how 'gravity' works:
http://infinite712.hubpages.com/_inf712/hub/Gravit
"...or near the speed of light there is less motion of matter, I.e less change"
I disagree entirely with this idea. There's no reason to think that traveling at the speed of light would have such an effect.
"This would explain the twin paradox without a time dimension."
This thought experiment called "the twin paradox" is also bogus.
"Now within this area of less motion of matter, .everything. is moving slower, heartbeat brainwaves everything, so from your perspective everything would appear normal."
Yes, from a subjective observer's perspective. But matter objectively moves irrespective of observers. Our minds record and memorize the different locations of material objects(i.e. motion). This is what gives us the illusion that there is a past.
Thanks for the reply.
The website 'a brief history of timelessness' does quite a good job at getting your head round the idea of a universe without time.
That looks like a very interesting website. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
This is not all. Michi Kaku and Stephen HAwkings, the famous physicists believe that in the near future, we are going to time travell!!
oxymoron,
Yes, they are extremely crazy. It's amazing that these cranks think of themselves as being rational and scientific. When in reality they are actually nutjobs who think that a physical object called 'time' exists and that we can use 'wormholes' to travel through it. Hawking also claims that time is somehow the 'fourth dimension'. Dimension is another concept that the mathematicians have reifed. For example, I've seen string theorist Leonard Susskind claim that the 'extra dimensions' of string theory can wrap around and get tangled with the 1D strings. It's a shame that 'science' has become such amusing garbage.
You can also say space doesn’t exist either. For example: How far is a foot ? Well it’s 12 inches. So then how far is an inch ? This is defined by so many wavelengths of a frequency of light. But how far is a wave length of this light ?
You can go on and on and finally you see that all lengths are defined in terms of other lengths. Or length is relative. Time is also defined relative to other times.
I’ve having a lot of trouble making sense of any of the arguments. I think a lot more study has to go into this before we can say “time doesn’t exist”
Even quantum mechanics defines the wave function as a probability wave. Well what does probability mean. It is the average outcome of an experiment that is "repeated" a large number of times.
In order to repeat something you need "time" don't you.
As far as I can see you are all confusing relative attributes like space and time and trying to make them absolute which doesn't work in quantum mechanics.
Not Sure,
"You can also say space doesn’t exist"
Right, exactly. Space doesn't exist either. Space and time are irrational concepts that mathematical physicists have reifed. Reification is a logical fallacy.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reify
"Even quantum mechanics defines the wave function as a probability wave."
You might think that this statement actually means something, but I assure you that it doesn't. The word wave refers to motion. There is no such thing/object/entity as a wave. In other words, a wave is not what something is, a wave is what something does. Waves do not exist, waves occur. So saying 'wave function' or 'probability wave' has very little meaning except perhaps as a very vague mathematical description.
A great article... but i disagree. How do you know that time travel doesn't exist? Have you looked around yourself? Maybe your closest friend, teacher, parents are from the future but you just haven't noticed. In the future there probably is already time travel and they came back to see how civilization was in our time.
cool,
"How do you know that time travel doesn't exist?"
Well, you first need to understand what you mean by word 'exist'. Exist only refers to material objects with location and therefore it makes no sense to say "time exists" or "time travel exists". The reason why it's impossible to travel through time is because there's no such thing as time. What are you going to travel through? In fact, the word 'time' has been given many conflicting definitions and is therefore an irrational concept. We cannot travel through irrational reified concepts. We can only 'travel through' air, water, etc.
I of course agree time doesn't exist. Something can't be created from nothing, therefore something must have always been. Infinity in both directions. The entire universe must be one giant unified perpetual energy machine. It's always been, so it will always be.
The fact that time doesn't exist is what makes "time travel" possible. We haven't been born, yet we're already dead.
Neal,
"The fact that time doesn't exist is what makes "time travel" possible."
If time doesn't exist, then obviously you cannot travel through it. When I say that "time doesn't exist", then I mean what I said. This is not an analogy or semantics or whatever. I mean that quite literally. You absolutely cannot travel through what doesn't exist. "Matter" is what exists and motion (changing location) is what matter does. It's as simple as that. There is LITERALLY no time. Just matter in constant motion, that's it.
Tracy Lynn Conway Level 5 Commenter 12 months ago
Very enlightening, thank you for explaining this! Voted up!